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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:21 am |
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I just say, don't call it marriage. Keep it as a ''union''. Marriage is a term used for religion.
And create a law of where a gay person hits on a straight person, 90 days in jail.
I think that should satisfy.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:02 am |
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WARNING, IN ORDER TO MAKE A POINT, THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS A BUNNY "ATTACKING" A KITTEN. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.(it isnt that bad, puppies hump legs all the time) Kenny wrote: Because homosexuality is practiced in the animal kingdom, while necrophilia isn't. And animals having sex with other species just doesn't quite happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia#Animalsim sorry to burst your bubble, but sex drive is overwhelming in some animals and as for animals not having sex with other animals. exhibit 1. new zealanders. they love their sheep (sorry for the kiwi joke) exhibit 2. you have been... SHUT DOWN.Polygamy does happen, and as I said, while I'm not supportive of Polygamy, I merely pointed out a case in which it is illegal. so why dont you support polygamy? its love between 3 or more people... how can you ostracize them and yet support gay marriage without being a.) hypocritical b.) looking silly. c.) want me to point out a case of homosexual marraige being illegal? that shouldnt be that hard.The whole point of marriage isn't for some non-existent Sky Father to look down upon us and smile, however for the benefits a couple needs. surely by now, you know who i am, im that liberal, left wing, atheist, duck. telling me about the non existent sky father doesnt help you when i havent even come close to mentioning sky daddy, merely the general term of religion.At least that's how it is now. Why can I say marriage with another animal isn't right? Because how does the couple "qualify" for benefits, if one of them isn't aware of what is happening, or what benefits are, not to mention cannot verbally speak, or talk in any manner we can understand. someone marries, their partner becomes comatose/a vegetable, according to your logic, their marriage is now void and should be anulled as it is one sided. those horrible, horrible, non conscious comatose people. sickens you, doesnt it?Perhaps my thinking does open the door for Polygamy, but my only problem with Polygamy is a group marrying each other for just extra benefits, between a couple this isn't a problem. Between 10 people, this is a problem. those benefits dont increase exponentially. it still is 10 benefits for 10 people, be it 1 lucky guy and 9 girls, 1 girl and 9 guys or 5 seperate partnerships. i dont seem to understand the problem that you see...Clamination wrote: And create a law of where a gay person hits on a straight person, 90 days in jail. no offense, but are you trolling or just plain stupid?
whats with the bigotted law with incarceration for something as minor as flirting. i hope you are trolling.
FYI, im currently winning~~ see how good i am? im sorry but i have to include this, its... its simply so humourous to my childish mind Quote: The film The Cane Toads: an Unnatural History shows a male toad copulating with a female toad who has been run over by a car. He goes on to do this for eight hours.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:33 pm |
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Lmao mrducky wrote: WARNING, IN ORDER TO MAKE A POINT, THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS A BUNNY "ATTACKING" A KITTEN. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.(it isnt that bad, puppies hump legs all the time) Kenny wrote: Because homosexuality is practiced in the animal kingdom, while necrophilia isn't. And animals having sex with other species just doesn't quite happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia#Animalsim sorry to burst your bubble, but sex drive is overwhelming in some animals and as for animals not having sex with other animals. exhibit 1. new zealanders. they love their sheep (sorry for the kiwi joke) exhibit 2. you have been... SHUT DOWN.Polygamy does happen, and as I said, while I'm not supportive of Polygamy, I merely pointed out a case in which it is illegal. so why dont you support polygamy? its love between 3 or more people... how can you ostracize them and yet support gay marriage without being a.) hypocritical b.) looking silly. c.) want me to point out a case of homosexual marraige being illegal? that shouldnt be that hard.The whole point of marriage isn't for some non-existent Sky Father to look down upon us and smile, however for the benefits a couple needs. surely by now, you know who i am, im that liberal, left wing, atheist, duck. telling me about the non existent sky father doesnt help you when i havent even come close to mentioning sky daddy, merely the general term of religion.At least that's how it is now. Why can I say marriage with another animal isn't right? Because how does the couple "qualify" for benefits, if one of them isn't aware of what is happening, or what benefits are, not to mention cannot verbally speak, or talk in any manner we can understand. someone marries, their partner becomes comatose/a vegetable, according to your logic, their marriage is now void and should be anulled as it is one sided. those horrible, horrible, non conscious comatose people. sickens you, doesnt it?Perhaps my thinking does open the door for Polygamy, but my only problem with Polygamy is a group marrying each other for just extra benefits, between a couple this isn't a problem. Between 10 people, this is a problem. those benefits dont increase exponentially. it still is 10 benefits for 10 people, be it 1 lucky guy and 9 girls, 1 girl and 9 guys or 5 seperate partnerships. i dont seem to understand the problem that you see...Clamination wrote: And create a law of where a gay person hits on a straight person, 90 days in jail. no offense, but are you trolling or just plain stupid?
whats with the bigotted law with incarceration for something as minor as flirting. i hope you are trolling.
FYI, im currently winning~~ see how good i am? im sorry but i have to include this, its... its simply so humourous to my childish mind Quote: The film The Cane Toads: an Unnatural History shows a male toad copulating with a female toad who has been run over by a car. He goes on to do this for eight hours.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:20 am |
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ty for the bump, but IMO i killed the topic with my sheer awesome. please allow it to die in a peaceful manner. if you really want, i could rebut myself cause the arguments i presented may be persuading but arent exactly concrete nor strong arguments.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:45 am |
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Kenny wrote: In your logic, why should we allow marriage at all? i contend it is simply a union legally recognised between a male and female, i challenge the notion that if you want to change the definition you should beware of all the consequences and possibilities.If we cannot allow gay marriage without allowing humans marry animals, groups of humans, groups of animals, or corpses or whatever the hell they want, why would we ever allow humans marry someone of the opposite sex!? tradition? i dont know really, maybe because its already so established that the removal of which would create such disastrous social upheavals everyone would explode.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:14 pm |
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Kenny wrote: Oh so now it's only because society as a whole views it right? Pretty much yeah.
How about slavery? We viewed that as right for YEARS and quite obviously it was wrong. Again in your logic, we should completely disallow marriage as a whole. Umm yeah slavery wasn't about black people mating with same sex. It was altogether something completely different. It was about torture, abuse, cruelty, and forced manual labor, none of which apply in today's society.
Of course there's consequences and possibilities, that's how it is with any social behavior or tradition we change. If most of society is against something that doesn't necessarily mean straight away it is wrong. Well of course. But then again, society changes depending if it wants to change. Changes before were just, and were even put to war for. But to war for or have social ruin for something as pointless as gay marriage, is beyond stupidity, as well as just plain out wrong.
Btw, can we keep those other things out of the thread? Its really disturbing, and has no real significance to gay marriage.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:03 pm |
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Gay marriage should not be legal, because it is immoral. A moral argument not based on the Bible is arbitrary or inconsistent, and all politics are directly or indirectly based on morality. Therefore, politics not based on the Bible is also arbitrary or inconsistent.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:37 pm |
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Like I've said before, don't call it marriage, and lots of people will be happy. Call it a civil unionship or something. Marriage is a term used for religious ceremonies and is also a Catholic Sacrament.
That Sacrament is meant for women and men together. Not men and men or women and women.
Therefore, it should be renamed, and have different customs. Make something new if those people want it so bad.
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:13 am |
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Quote: Oh so now it's only because society as a whole views it right? i didnt say that.How about slavery? We viewed that as right for YEARS and quite obviously it was wrong. Again in your logic, we should completely disallow marriage as a whole. that was a pretty extreme social upheaval. my actual point was to disallow marriage would result in a massive social upheaval. i remember an extremely bloody war took place in that country of US and A. while we may frown upon slavery today, are you sure that the right to marry is worth the death of thousands? millions? HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS? oh wow! im amazed at myself here this is actually hilarious to me lol 
on this topic about race... ill hand you some enlightenment, i found this gem during a wikipedia run
Quote: Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._VirginiaLOL seriously speaking, this little bugger here just goes to show how history repeats itself, first it was interracial marriage that was un-christian, now its homosexuality, and people are actually restricting the freedom of others based on it.Of course there's consequences and possibilities, that's how it is with any social behavior or tradition we change. If most of society is against something that doesn't necessarily mean straight away it is wrong. hey man, im a strong believer of cultural relativity and subjective realities. there is no right or wrong, merely shades of grey. removing marriage would most likely result in a huge economic and social upheaval, the like of which havent been seen in a long time, when you marry, you get a thousand new rights and various tax laws and new stuff. to simply wish it away would not only collapse society into anarchy for a good while, it would ecnomically set fire yourself (SELF IMMOLATION, ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE)Clamination wrote: Btw, can we keep those other things out of the thread? Its really disturbing, and has no real significance to gay marriage. have you even been reading what ive been writing? i have ALWAYS used the shock factor when addressing and homing a point. my point is if you defile the definition of marriage and open it up to change, you should beware of the consequences, i therefore scaremonger with possible SHOCKING consequences, if you are too sensitive, i apologize, but all of those "couplings" do exist and there are people for it. heck NAMBLA alone supports my pedophile polemic perfectly, its a FREAKING ORGANISATION THAT WANTS IT LEGAL TO PLAY WITH LITTLE BOYS. so if you are sickened... well... tough. these are real issues and they exist. (originally strung from "GAY MARRIAGE IS NATURAL CAUSE OTEHR ANIMALS DO IT" argument, i flip it into "NECROPHILIA IS NATURAL CAUSE OTHER ANIMALS DO IT."GeneralKajafelq wrote: Gay marriage should not be legal, because it is immoral. A moral argument not based on the Bible is arbitrary or inconsistent, and all politics are directly or indirectly based on morality. Therefore, politics not based on the Bible is also arbitrary or inconsistent. logic. you fail it. non sequitir and fail premise, you are doing your cause a disservice, let the bestiality/polygamous/necrophilic/pedophilic/...etc person be your spokesperson.
you are possibly the worst fundie i have ever met with that statement above. im sure you would agree with me. (if you live in USA/any other coutry with secularism as a foundation, i suggest you leave cause there is often something called a constitution that ensures that the country doesnt spiral down into an Iran or Somalia.)
P.S. fail premise is self explanatory. non sequitir logical fallacy is self evident. make me point them out and i will be sad.Clamination, i actually accept that, i earlier posted that my entire argument centres around the term "gay marriage" more importantly, the word "marriage" and the meaning it encompasses. :/ if you bring out the union word, i literally have nothing and ill direct you to General Krazy over there to carry the team
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Post subject: Re: Gay marriage. Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:19 pm |
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I guess I'd better put my opinion on this. *inhales**exhales*
Okay, to be honest, I'm sort of in the middle of this. I do believe that you should have the right to marry the same sex. It's no different from marrying opposite sex But it's traditional to marry opposite sex. We've done it for thousands of years. Isn't it human to stick to our traditions? Now I'm not mentioning god here, I am a heavy atheist. We don't even have clear proof that he exists.
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