bro, u right.
but i watched on tv in Russia 3 years ago a historian scientist talking about this buisness no havent for gencoide. even on united nations surveillance. dont trust the Wikidepia I can even change wikidepia so anyone can change.
anyway, i just wanna say it , if do not change their thoughts this business will never be results. i say for both sides Turk and Armenian.

Um what's happenin' here?

yes, Thats true. i agree with you.



i dont so much Armenian ancient history u know better than me. must be true.






and tihs we have problem.
that in have a logic error.
bro lets thinking in today's , who rich has his weapon. right ? so if was Armenian peoples has The whole Istanbul is made by armenians , It also armenian who litteraly made Baku or it's the armenians who made the capital of Georgia Tiflis starting from their most famous mosques finishing with bridges and sultan (royal) palaces.
80% of Ottoman Empire commerce was run by armenians ... i see was your peoples must be so rich and authoritarian in Ottooman Empire . How did these people have disappeared in a moment ? very difficult to believe. if youe are authoritarian and rich no one can touch you. and one more think, in was 1915 turk population 8,5 million in Anatolia , 8 Million Turk( 4 milion Older or young or women) surviving 4 m. Turk how to kill 2 million Armenians in a few years ?

idont know mate. i think these are all a imperialist game and succeeded. Turkey fighting Armenia , Greece figthing Macedonia , Georgia fighting Russia and NOBODY development nobody cant make social services .... USA sales to us guns Israel sales to us guns lets fithting.
we lived together for many years maybe one day we will again.

im sorry for out of topic.

Cyberpunk, its entirely possible for a community of intellectuals and rich people to be reduced to nothing in a matter of days. Think about the Jews during the Holocaust. All their possessions were taken and they were rendered without anything in a matter of months. In a matter of years 2/3rd of Europe's Jews were killed. So its entirely possible.

Like Gevorg said, most business etc were owned by Armenians and the Ottoman Empire, treated them like second class citizens. I think they treated anyone who didn't believe in Islam with contempt. The others left the region, the armenians stayed back, thus suffering oppression. From what I read, the armenians were indeed poor, and a group of intellectuals started arising, after various reform movements enforced by even the UK, Russia etc., Most of the Armenians were also educated in other prestigious institutions across Europe.

Again from what I read, they were subject to high taxes, failure to pay resulted in death, rape, protection extortion and various other sorts of crimes. On April 24, 1915, intellectuals etc were ordered to be arrested. There were mass deportations, death marches - people were made to walk to Syria, without food, water, shelter. There was one instance recorded where a whole village of armenians - about 5000 people were burned alive, and even the Turkish prisoners went mad, seeing the horrific sight. The Ottoman empire even formed a paramilitary (Hamidaye or something if my spelling is right) force sort of thing, to fight armenians who had taken up arms against the state, to protect themselves. There were even reports of concentration camps that were built, but I haven't seen enough evidence of this.

So it isnt a question of killing 2 million people over a few days, its a question of oppressing people over a period of time that results in people dying and making laws that guarantee wiping out an entire community of people. This is genocide. These probably reached an excess in 1915 and the years after that. But every report I have read, since I became interested in this topic places death tolls at 600,000 - 2 million. That many people dont die by accident.

Yup, In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation.

And of late, I read that in 2011, a move was passed in the Israeli parliament, and this case is being submitted for research. Once its done, I hope they will accept it as Genocide. Even countries like France and Germany who have officially recognized it, have called on Turkey to apologize and accept this as a fact.